And, Mat 13:11 -16:

“And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: “‘You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’
But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear.”

In Christ,
annee

In Canada!

Winston Blackmore married Lorraine Johnson when she was 15 and a journalist recorded her father Ray Johnson discussing how she arrived up there. At that time, Jane was Winston’s only legal wife. Under Canada law, the age of consent being 16, includes that the male partner not exheed 24 months the girls senior, nor be is a position of authority over her. Winston was the Bishop and her priesthood councilor, if she was a student in Bountiful, he ran that school with Merril Palmer.

When she gave birth to her child, Winston’s first wife Jane ran the birthing center and made a record of that date of birth.

Since Terrence Robertson is aware of this, I think the issue goes way beyond Polygamy and into a selective view of Gods laws vs the law in Canada. Seperating CHURCH & state, religion does not permit only religious people to break the law in the beliefs of their religion.

I am sorry it has taken me so long to respond, thank you for your patience, for your comment and your encouragement.

To answer your question: In short, we are prepared for the scenario Isaiah describes in chapters 3 and 4 to occur, as we believe that this prophesy, like the others that pertain to the end times, are to be taken literally.

We expect times to get much much worse than they are already, with wars, earthquakes, pestilences, famines, the whole nine yards, to add to the economic collapse we are experiencing worldwide at the moment. We also believe that the prophesy as is continues in Isa 4 will come to pass, so we are prepared to take kindred women in who are looking for the shelter of marriage and for their reproach to be taken away. This is one of the reasons why we are not actively looking for additional wives at this point, but are rather stocking up the pantry for times ahead, so to speak.

Thanks for stopping by.

You obviously don’t know what you are talking about and apparently have no interest in learning because you disallow even the possibility of exploring the question by stating “I am sure they have some way to dismiss it, as they do every other Scipture and command. ”

If we don’t agree with Tom and his presuppositions then we must be twisting the Scriptures. Tom’s word is gospel…NOT!

Paul states in Corinthians, “let EVERY woman have HER OWN husband”. I am sure they have some way to dismiss it, as they do every other Scipture and command.

We know as Jesus our Lord said, “In the beginning it was not so”.

In marriage we are a reflection of Christ and his Church. There is but one church and one bride of Christ. To preach polygamy is to preach that there are many ways into God’s Kingdom. Damnable heresy!

Tom

…and incidentally, we have dealt with each and every other of your arguments too, at length, in different places on our sites. You are just repeating what everybody else is saying, too. Yes, God did command polygamy in case of Levirate marriage; no, one flesh has nothing to do with being married to one woman alone; no, Paul’s restriction of deacons and elders to one wife only is not a moral issue; etc etc etc. We are not building a doctrine of polygamy around Isa 4:1, we are quoting prophetic Scripture. If you do not believe this is what is going to happen, fine, go your way and be happy in your ignorance. If you take Scripture seriously, it would be important to stop hopping, skipping and jumping around the plain facts.

Grace and Peace,
Talitha

And I appreciate the use of commentaries, but keep in mind that they are only that, commentaries, and not scripture in themselves.

I hardly see how you can rip one passage of Scripture out, hold it up and build a doctrine of polygamy around it. If you study all the instances of polygamy in the Bible you will find none of them that are described in any detail worked out very well. If you read Genesis you will see that God said in, Ge 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. He didn’t say cleave unto his wives. He did say be two or three or more flesh…He said wife and flesh…singular. You’ll also see in the follow two verses that the qualifications for church leadership require a man to be a “one woman man” as it is put in the orginal languages. Our English translations say husband of one wife. 1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Tit 1:6 ¶ If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
(KJV)
You can’t be the husband of one wife or a one woman man if you have more than one wife. If God wanted the church leaders who are to be the examples to the church to have one wife, then it follows that He expects the followers of those leaders to do the same. I see no where in the Bible that says differently.
Read all the verses I have sited in context…read all the verses around them.
I don’t want to be guilty of appearing to build doctrine around only a few verses too.
Oh, and in Exodus there rules set down for how a man is to treat his “wives”…God never commanded polygamy…you can’t find that in Scripture. But he knew man in his fallen state would do it anyway so He set down rules to regulate it. Just because God regulates something doesn’t mean He commanded it or condones it. If He commanded it and condoned it why wouldn’t he want the NT church leaders to be examples of polygamy instead of monogamy?

Matthew Poole’s Commentary
Ver. 1. In that day, of which he hath hitherto been speaking, Isa 2:1-22; 3:1-26, and still continueth to speak. In that calamitous time.

Seven; many. A certain number for an uncertain. Shall take hold; shall sue to him, and even lay hands upon him, contrary to their custom, and their natural modesty.

Of one man; because few men shall survive that dreadful stroke. They who before were not contented with their own husbands, are now glad of a seventh part of a husband.

We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel; we will ease thee of that charge, which otherwise would fall upon thee by God’s law, Ex 21:10.

Let us be called by thy name; own us for thy wives.

Reproach: virginity was esteemed a reproach, especially among that people, because it was a token of contempt from men, and of the curse of God; children, the usual fruit of marriage, being both an honour to their parents before men, and a great blessing of God, especially to that people, from some of whose loins the Messiah was to spring.

2 ¶ In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.
Matthew Poole’s Commentary:
Ver. 2. In that day; about and after that time; when the Lord shall have washed away (as this time is particularly expressed, Isa 4:4)

the filth of Zion by those dreadful judgments now described. The branch of the Lord; either,

1. The church and people of Israel, oft called God’s vine or vineyard, as we saw before, and the branch of God’s planting, Isa 60:21. Or,

2. The Messiah, who is commonly defined in Scripture by this title, the Branch, Isa 11:1; Jer 23:5; 33:15; Zec 3:8, whose name is expressly said to be the Branch, Zec 6:12, of whom not only Christians, but even the Hebrew doctors, understand it. For after the foregoing miseries were brought upon the Jews, by the remainders of the Grecian empire, of which Daniel prophesies of exactly and particularly, and afterwards by the Roman empire, the Messiah was born; and after that utter destruction brought upon the Jewish city, and temple, and nation by Titus, the kingdom of the Messiah became

beautiful and glorious, as it here follows.

The fruit of the earth shall be excellent; the land which for the sins of the people was made barren, upon their repentance and return to Christ, shall recover its former fertility. Under this one mercy he seems to understand all temporal blessings, which, together with spiritual and eternal, God shall confer upon them; and withal to intimate the fruitfulness of the people (the earth or land being oft put for its inhabitants,) in knowledge, and grace, and all good works.

That are escaped; that shall survive all the forementioned calamities.