May
Judge extends State abuse of children
Posted by
And this also, via CNN.com
A Texas judge on Friday refused to sign an order returning more than 300 children seized from a polygamist community, saying she wanted the mothers involved to sign the order first.Members of the Fundamental Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints decried Judge Barbara Walther’s decision, which followed a Texas Supreme Court ruling that the removals were unwarranted.
“The kids have been terrorized and put in the custody of the state for weeks and weeks,” FLDS spokesman Willie Jessop said Friday after the hearing to determine how to return the children.
“Every effort has been made to bring relief,” Jessop said outside the courthouse. “It doesn’t need to be a problem to go pick up the kids. It doesn’t need to be any more difficult than picking them up after school.”
The 3rd District Court of Appeals ruled this month that officials with Child Protective Services erred in removing the children from the Yearning for Zion Ranch near Eldorado, Texas, effectively overturning Walther’s ruling that the children remain in state custody.
On Thursday, the Texas Supreme Court let the ruling stand, clearing the way for the children to be reunited with their families.
Controversial Stuff
- Bookmark :
- Digg
- del.icip.us
- Stumbleupon
- Redit it
12 Responses to “Judge extends State abuse of children”
SUBSCRIBE VIA EMAIL
Poll
Loading ...Most Commented
Biblical Patriarchy- Christian Polygamy
- Bountiful leaders in court on polygamy charges
- Dispute Over Polygamous Sect Property Trust Argued Before Utah Supreme Court
- Audio, Photos: Picturing Polygamy In America
- Polygamist Winston Blackmore sues B.C. for unlawful prosecution
- Canadians: Abortion, fornication, gambling morally acceptable, reject polygamy as immoral
- Joshuah's House Blog
GOOD FOR HER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Atleast there is one Judge in the state of Texas that cares about the welfare of those children. I have a 13 year old daughter, and I personally believe not only the sick men in that community should be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but so should any mother of legal age!!!!!
See, people are not concerned with the means (if they are applied to “others”) as long as they achieve the ends they desire.
Because of your lawless stance on this position, your 13 year old child should be removed from your custody, before she grows up to be as ignorant and stupid as you are.
Remember, you will reap what you sow.
Joshuah:
I am sorry you feel that way, however that is absolutely how I feel. Ignorant or stupid I will not lose my daughter because I have subjected her to be raped by old men. May God bless you and your family.
No need to feel sorry about anything. If that is how you think then think it. However, I think you missed the point entirely.
You applaud the illegal actions of the State of Texas and CPS…If that is the standard you wish to apply to the FLDS, then the same standard will be applied to you someday. Maybe you abuse your children by feeding them junk food, or allowing them to play video games hour after hour, or perhaps you’re a recovering alcoholic and drug abuser, and the State must remove your children because of the potential for future relapse.
Don’t be surprised if some day the same standard is applied to you.
Joshuah:
You are right, I am a recovering alcoholic and drug addict, and my children were removed at one time from my home for that reason. I do agree that CPS did just a bang up job on some of the facts, however there is enough evidence of child molestation in that community/household to warrant the permanent removal of those poor children. Judge Walthers can see that and so can anyone else. They are sreaming Constitutional Rights when they themselves do not abide by our Constitution. I will not ever stick up for child molesters or thier Rights.
“there is enough evidence of child molestation in that community/household to warrant the permanent removal of those poor children.”
The Appeals court and the Supreme Court of Texas disagree, and so do I. And according to my rather informal poll, as well as various media reports, about 50% of the population disagrees as well.
Texas CPS didn’t follow their own regulations in this case, but took a blanket approach and kidnapped over 463 “children.” The abuse heaped upon those children by the State of Texas is far worse than any of the *allegations* made against them.
What I will stick up for is the idea of innocent until proven guilty, regardless of whether or not I agree with their beliefs. I will treat them as I wish to be treated.
There are children with children. FACT Is that not proof? I wish to treat them as I wish to be treated as well. That is just my point, also. I do not agree with their beliefs, however that is not what upsets me. The fact that they allow their own children to be molested by older men, and want to be protected by the rights and laws of our Country while breaking them upsets me. They want their cake and eat it too. Their innocents was proven empty with the first underage mother.
I think their teenage birth rate is about average for the country. The State of Texas has the highest teen birth rate in the country, and I would imagine many of them were fathered by males over the age of 18. To be fair, let’s just start rounding people up, taking the kids, and investigating all of this….errrr, I don’t want to pay for it though.
The girls who were pregnant at the time of the raid turned out to be adults, as did many of the others that the State kidnapped…it’s all chronicled on this site. The State purposely mislead the public, in order to gain their support for illegal and abusive behavior towards the FLDS children.
Did you look at the Bishop’s list? For all the hype, I don’t think we have seen one instance of the FLDS in Eldorado where a young lady was married to a much older man. It makes for stimulating headlines but it is not necessarily true.
I am sorry, but their innocence should remain until they are proven guilty in a court of law. You cannot take one example and then apply the consequences to an entire community of people. Like it or not, they are American Citizens and have the very same rights as you and I…at least theoretically.
The teenage birth rate in this Country or Texas are true, but are a completely different matter, aren’t they? The state most definately fudged up on the matter of taking some wrong women. Considering that all girls claimed to 18 and could not produce a birth certificate, for the safety of all they did make mistakes. The overall cluster???k was for the safety of all the children. Yes, there are underage mothers there. Reguardles of how this came about, have you ever considered that just maybe God was doing for these children what they could not do for theirselves?
You brought up the point of “children with children” as proof, and I pointed out that this is true across the country, and especially in Texas. No, it is not a different matter. The standard you use should be applied to all people at all times, in a consistent and unbiased manner.
The news reports indicate that CPS knew the ages of many of these young girls, but chose to place them in a “disputed” classification anyway. This too in chronicled on the site.
I would be very cautious of disregarding the means by which this came about…it is important, because if this type of jack-booted thug mentality by the State is allowed to go unchecked, then all of us are in danger of having a boot stomping our face at some point.
No, I have never considered this to be the work Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but the work of the god of secular humanism, ie. the State.
It is sad that anyone would condone the sexual molestation of children. The proof is in the fact that underage girls are having babies. The photo of Warren Jeffs molesting two underage girls is further proof. Why isn’t the state of Texas prosecuting these people for welfare fraud? It has been reported that these people have been deceptive in reference to their identification. It seems that Cps should have proof of whom the children parents are before they are returned to anyon.
Well, I’ve yet to hear of anyone who condones the sexual molestation of children. Perhaps I missed a recent conviction from a criminal court somewhere…please educate us on this, and let’s get the rope and string them up. Actually, I’d be partial to a good old fashioned stoning…is the ground very rocky in Eldorado? Well, then again, maybe we should just put them in prison and wait 15-20 years for the DNA evidence to prove their innocence…stoning or lynching is so permanent, is it not? It’s just a pity that the State isn’t infallible like it desires to be.
As far as I can recollect, Warren Jeffs wasn’t at the YFZ ranch when it was raided. Perhaps they aren’t prosecuted for welfare fraud because they are not guilty of welfare fraud, but I guess we can overlook that little tidbit of info. Heck, why don’t we prosecute them all for dope smuggling too…I mean, like, dude they are really close to the Mexican border, and you know what goes on there!
It’s also been reported that CPS has been deceptive in reference to their identification, and finally, why should CPS require proof of anything before releasing those captive children when they should not have ever taken them in the first place?
Good golly, are we really this ignorant?